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Godless Mourning

Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:46 PM EST
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By Grisham
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On Thursday February 16, 2012 at 10:01pm, my father passed away. On Friday I wrote a tribute to him, although it was too short and not as good as I’d hoped it to be but it was the best I could accomplish at the time. You can read it here if you wish.

Also, if you happened to leave a comment and read the tribute, I want to thank you once again for all of your support. It was greatly appreciated and it truly helped. The Vine can be such a wonderful, supportive place.

This will be my first article in Chaplain’s Corner. Enoch started the group and it was a wonderful idea. I feel I owe it to him to try and put my struggle with grief into words.  He has been a wonderful, caring and thoughtful Vine friend and I hope to meet him in real life in the near future.

At first, I wondered how I could make this article unique and the answer was obvious – since I write a good deal about religion and atheism, it only makes sense to explore the topic from that angle. The first part will be about things that helped me cope and the second with atheism and how that can effect the mourning process as well as a few news items I found on the subject. I hope this article will prove helpful to someone in the future.

Steps that are helping me cope

Everyone handles grief differently and I think it would be extremely arrogant of me to assume that my way is the best way or the only way. I make this list more as a guideline or suggestion for people who are struggling with their own grief.

1) I was fortunate enough to be able to be with my dad when he passed away. For a long time, I wanted to express my love and admiration for him. The problem was that both of us weren’t really good at expressing emotions and most of all, I didn’t want him to think that I was saying goodbye or giving up hope. I thought about doing it several times but each time decided the timing wasn’t right and I certainly didn’t want to interfere with his fight against cancer.

When it became obvious that his body was failing and he wouldn’t be leaving the hospital, I asked my sister to leave the room and I said everything I’d ever wanted to say to him then and there. I have no idea if he could hear me and he was unable to acknowledge my words, but I certainly hope he did. Regardless, I felt a huge weight lift from me and I’m glad I had the opportunity to do that. If I had to do it all over again, I would put aside the macho-image that seems to permeate society and men in particular and told him how great he was every day.

My mother later told me that he knew how much I loved him and that he had told her recently how proud he was of me. I realize now that while the grieving process is still ongoing, this was really the first step I took.

2) For most of Thursday I tried to remain strong and not cry. This was more to benefit my mom than anything else. Her pain was immense and I felt it my duty to help her through it as best I could. This is an ongoing process and I occupy some of my time looking in on her and making sure she needs for nothing.

3) When I got home from the hospital Friday morning, I went to bed with my wife. I finally allowed myself to really cry. To be honest, I cried many tears while sitting with my father in the hospital but not even that could compare to the cry that I had afterward. My wife held me while I cried like a two year old who had scraped his knee. It wasn’t pretty but I will admit that it helped a great deal. Afterward, I still felt deep sorrow but the best way I can describe it is if you had a horrible headache and popped a Tylenol. After a while, the Tylenol took the edge off the headache even though you knew it hadn’t gotten rid of it completely.

I have to say my wife was and continues to be incredibly supportive.

4) I stay busy. I hardly ever just sit there and reflect. Whether that means taking out the garbage, doing the dishes, writing or just going for a drive, I try to stay occupied as much as possible. If you’ve recently lost a loved one, this might work for you as well. If you have a hobby or something that brings a smile to your face, try doing it if you can.

5) Friends and family are a great help. My wife in particular. Sometimes I just need to talk to her and she’s always there to sound off on. She also has an uncanny ability to know what I’m thinking or how I’m feeling. I think friends and family can be a great asset when losing a loved one.

6) Some people need more time than others. I’m at work now and I feel that was the best choice for me. I was asked if I needed time off, but I felt that staying busy was important to me and work is a good place to do that. For others, they may need some time off work to assimilate and heal.

The Atheist angle

If I were a religious person, they might call what I’ve been going through a ‘crisis of faith’. The idea that my father is sitting in heavenly paradise is a soothing one and something I very much wish I could believe.

Today when I got to work, a co-worker of mine left a card for me. It reads: “With sympathy to all the family. May the loving hand of God touch you with peace at this sad time.”

I very much appreciate the sentiment, even though I don’t believe in God. She meant well with the card and I thank her for that. However, for other atheists, this might be construed as the exact opposite of helpful.

As an example, here’s an interesting news article on what I’m trying to get across here:

She knew their intentions were good, but their words weren't always helpful. And in the rawness of her grief, Hensler found some of them downright hurtful.

Hensler is an atheist, so when people described her three-month-old son Jude as being an angel, or part of God's plan, or "in a better place" than in his mother's arms, the pain sometimes overwhelmed her.

"(Atheists) don't think we are going to get to hold our children again," Hensler told a group of about 30 members of the East Bay Atheists, a monthly gathering of nontheists, where her descriptions of people's visions of her son as an angel drew a few gasps.

"We are facing an absolute loss, so when someone projects onto that the idea that we are going to be able to hold our children again or communicate with them, it is essentially dismissing the magnitude of that loss."

 

And further down:

 

"When I became an atheist, death was one of the hardest issues I had to deal with," said Greta Christina, a prominent atheist activist who encouraged Hensler to establish Grief Beyond Belief.

"I didn't know about atheist writings or communities that could help me through it. … I don't want anyone else to have to go through that alone."

Rabbi Peter Schweitzer, leader of New York's City Congregation for Humanistic Judaism, which has long held secular funeral services, said grief is a universal experience that requires different responses.

"Secular people feel as racked with sorrow as the next person," he said. "Christians mourn differently than Jews who mourn differently than Muslims. There ought to be space for those who don't share religious beliefs to mourn, too."

Speaking before the Berkeley group, Hensler said she became sure there was a need for a completely secular grief site when she began an online conversation with a former Christian minister who first lost his faith and then his two teenage sons.

An acquaintance told him the boys' deaths were punishment for his atheism. That drew gasps from the Berkeley group, too. Hensler said she hoped Grief Beyond Belief would become a place where isolated or new atheists, like the former pastor, could find comfort and support.

If you’re an atheist and are struggling through some of the same issues described in this article, you might find help at Grief Beyond Belief, which is a growing community support group for atheists who have lost loved ones and want to mourn without the trappings, rituals and prayers associated with belief.

Sometimes as atheists, we tend to forget how small a minority we really are. Something like a death in the family can really drive home the point that there isn’t a whole hell of a lot of institutions that can help you recover from the loss that doesn’t involve religion. Hopefully, that changes in the near future. I fully suspect that it will, since the atheist community is growing rapidly.

Although, I will admit that my dad’s death has caused me to examine and reexamine my non-belief in a deity, I don’t feel sorry about that.

I also read a wonderful blog post on The Friendly Atheist. It was a column where a reader was asking the same sorts of questions and facing the same dilemma I have over the last few days. Here’s what the reader asked:

Dear Richard,

After rolling through many years without major crises, my family seems to have gotten our bad luck all at once in the form of some mutated cells. My grandfather and pet both have cancer, my boyfriend’s aunt just died of it, I’m scheduled to get a mysterious breast lump checked out, and my father just had a painful biopsy with less than promising conclusions. As I wait for results of various tests and procedures, I’m shocked to find myself actively fighting the urge to pray. I was raised Christian and was a devout child but have been an atheist for about 7 years (I’m 23). I thought I was comfortable with my decision, but faced with the possibility of losing beloved family members, I catch myself with clasped hands, asking God or the universe to influence fate in a way that I know in my head is impossible. I’m somewhat shaken and ashamed at my behavior. Am I a fair-weather atheist? Am I still religious and just didn’t realize it? I consider myself a rational, logical person, and perhaps I just need to learn how to deal with these huge, life-changing problems without the false comfort of prayer. What do you think I should do the next time I feel this way, and is this a normal struggle for atheists?

 

His response was a very good one in my opinion. The first few lines in particular really resonated with me. I will post them here, but feel free to read the entire reply by clicking the link I provided above.

 

Dear Rachael,

I think the first thing you should do is to forgive yourself for being human. The second thing is to move beyond forgiving yourself, since there is nothing wrong with being human.

To be human is to be continually pulled between your reason and your emotions. It is unavoidable that at times you will be inconsistent and conflicted between these two parts of your nature, especially during stressful or worrisome situations.

Faced with the possibility of losing family members as well as a threat to your own health, it is very understandable that you would experience impulses from your younger years. Yes, your struggle is a very common one for atheists, especially for those who were taught comforting religious beliefs as children.

As I have said in a few other posts, the process of letting go of childhood religious beliefs is two-fold: The intellectual part tends to be much quicker than the emotional part. A person’s rational mind can conclude that religious comforts and assurances are false, but years later they might still feel grief for the loss of that comfort and assurance. In very difficult times the desire for it can become very insistent. The child we once were does not cease to exist when we become adults; it just takes a back seat. Under certain conditions, it can temporarily return to the forefront.

I think he’s spot on and I hope his response as well as the news story about Grief Beyond Belief will show other atheists that they’re not alone and there are alternatives to help them cope if needed.

 

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Grisham

Sorry about the length. I try to keep my articles a bit shorter but I wanted to make it as helpful as possible. As always, thanks for taking the time to read my thoughts. Feel free to add your own thoughts, experiences or anything else you want to the discussion, whether you are religious or not. I think losing a loved one is a human thing and your comment is welcomed no matter your religious affiliation or lack thereof.

  • 20 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:49 PM EST
cowboygrandpa

Grisham:

My dad wasn't a Christian. So the loss hit me very hard, as I realize I will probably never see him again-although as my wife says there is always the chance he called out at the last minute and accepted Christ- I still love him very much, because he was my dad. There are things between fathers and sons that go unspoken, but are understood.

Sometimes being a Christian is harder when you know the person who died doesn't accept Christ. Because your love for that person never dies and you long in your heart and being to see them again in a place with no pain or sorrow.

I personally do not fear death, because I believe that the moment I pass from here I'm with Christ and my time of sorrow has ended.

I have told my children and my wife. That when I go don't be sad for my leaving, because I am not dead. My flesh has ceased to live and I have left that earthly shell, but I am alive and living with Christ for ever more. Rejoice for me, and remember if they believe we will meet again. If they don't believe then mourn our separation for it is the last time they will see me.

But they must continue to live and go on. Because life is precious on this earth and we all only have so much time. Don't waste it worrying about what was or wasn't said, or if their actions hurt me, or if I forgave them and still loved loved them. I will always love them and they are forgiven of anything they do , whatever hurt was done does not match the joy they bring or brought. For the joy of them outweighs any pain or sorrow that might have come from time to time.

Love is forever, it does not die. It does not grow dim with the years, it is still a bright and shining light. Hold on to that love, and keep it near you. The energy of that love is not wasted in you, it is the brightness of your own love that shines out to others.

I hope this makes sense my friend.

Peace to you and yours.

  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:03 AM EST
Grisham

It does make sense, friend cowboygrandpa. Well, I understand what you're saying even if I don't agree with parts of it.

Love is forever, it does not die. It does not grow dim with the years, it is still a bright and shining light. Hold on to that love, and keep it near you. The energy of that love is not wasted in you, it is the brightness of your own love that shines out to others.

I especially like that part. I think that's some great advice and something both believer and non-believer can use. Thank you for the detailed comment. I am sorry for the loss of your own father. I bet he was a wonderful man because I he raised a caring son.

  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:50 AM EST
RAY FRIEDMAN

A touching piece , the honesty , sincerity and the willingness to be open to others in a tolerant manner is all so important in dealing with life issues.I will reread this piece and then share some of my own experiences and thoughts.The important thing to remember is to deakl with the emotional pain , sarrow and to realize that your life and that of others will go on, cherish the good and relinquish the bad as forgiveness is an act of humility and that of a kind heart.

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:34 PM EST
Grisham

Thanks for stopping by, Ray, and I look forward to reading your future thoughts.

  • 5 votes
#1.4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:44 PM EST
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Kavika

Grisham, if you felt it was long, I felt it was to short my friend. Beautiful, informative and I could feel the love you have for your father.

Waanakiwin niijii

  • 13 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:29 PM EST
Grisham

Thanks Kav. I'm glad it didn't bore you to tears. LOL. I hope it proves useful to future Viners or anyone else who happens to find it.

  • 8 votes
#2.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:24 AM EST
Bluebird Sister

It brought tears, but not from boredom. This is so great. I have been thinking of you and I am glad that you are willing to share this. My sister was killed in a car accident in 2001. An in-law told me that my sister was in a better place. This did not help me at all, but I knew that this in-law, being a christian was doing the only thing she knew and it was to try to relieve me of my dispair. I seem to have trouble finding something comforting to say to people who I know are christians. I always think that they will get plenty of spiritual support from their christian peers.

  • 4 votes
#2.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:43 AM EST
Grisham

I'm sorry to hear about your sister, Bluebird. *hugs*

Generally, I will do whatever the religious person needs me to do. I will pray with them if need be. On the weekend, our family held a dinner in honor of my father. We sat around the table, held hands and my uncle said a prayer for my father. He said my dad was looking down on us right then. It was a comforting thought, but being a non-believer meant doing what my mom and family needed me to do without believing it myself and I did it gladly and would do it again if needed.

  • 7 votes
#2.3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:49 AM EST
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Dare To Hope

I won't speak for all believers Grish, just myself. I still have not landed solidly yet into what I believe now, but until I lost my daughter my faith was strong. Our feelings are so similar in a totally opposite way. Where atheists may reach back to their childhood and want/need to draw on that memory and comfort of faith, I, as a believer, found myself doubting everything I had ever believed. I don't know that I will ever have any answers or that I will ever land with this delimna, the only good part of it is I am and have always been open to whatever someone believes or doesn't believe, it has no effect on what I think of someone, so at least that part of me has not changed.

Thank you for writing this article, everyone needs someone to fall back on sometimes.

  • 10 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:13 PM EST
Grisham

Our feelings are so similar in a totally opposite way.

Funny how that happens. Despite our differences, we still have many similarities. I'm sorry for the loss of your daughter, Dare. Thank you for your thoughtful response.

  • 8 votes
#3.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:26 AM EST
Dare To Hope

Thank you Grish.

  • 6 votes
#3.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:49 AM EST
RAY FRIEDMAN

As I listen to your above conversation , I can not help but think of the ironies in life , that that in a loss one can gain , that in death one can discover the meaning of life , that in doubt strength can arise.We all seek answers to comfort our worlds , to gain understanding and to find peace and serenity in a reasonable manner.I believe that there is a therapeutic value in searching, the action of seeking within itself ia a journey that can lead to a healing process and bring balance into one's world.I think of life as a fire , if ine feeds it wood to burn than the fire will give warmth and light , failure to continue to fuel the fire will lead to it extinguishing.

  • 3 votes
#3.3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:47 PM EST
Dare To Hope

Life is truly ironic Ray. I like your description of how you view life, and hope you have plenty of wood to light your way.

  • 3 votes
#3.4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:36 PM EST
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Dowser

Grish, I am glad that you are finding comfort.

I can't speak to this, because I feel differently. I think the grieving process is a journey that we must all take. Everyone grieves differently, and there is no set time for when it is supposed to be over. I still grieve for my father, at times, and he will have been gone for 27 years tomorrow. Just today, I saw the eagle near work and thought, "Daddy!"-- because he would have been so thrilled to see one. At least the voice in my head wasn't a scream of sadness and pain, but a more joyful calling of his spirit.

Much love to you, dear friend.

  • 8 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:21 PM EST
Grisham

Much love back, Dowser. I hear what you're saying and hope I can remember or hear that voice one day without the pain. You're right that the process is different for everyone. No two people are exactly alike.

  • 8 votes
#4.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:28 AM EST
Dowser

It will come, dear Grish, but it takes a long time. I still hear the scream in my head at times. :-)

  • 7 votes
#4.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:30 AM EST
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Enoch-2699399

Dear Friend Grisham: I am most appreciative of this article.

Chaplains Corner is for everyone. Each on their own terms, and according to their unique needs.

One of the goals here is to build up the body of work for reference.

Mourning and grieving are universal experiences. There are paths we all must walk in life. The more we have trail guide maps for each and every journey, the better.

Please feel free to edit your article with resource links for Atheists who must travel where you have just been, and where you will be going for some time. That will only help them. Helping one another is what this group is all about.

May the memory of your dear Father continue to provide solice, and inspiration as you go forth in life.

May the support, understanding and love of your wife help you to be there for your Mother, wife and children now and in future.

May you continue to participate on the Vine, and in our group, Chaplains Corner for the greater good of all.

We all need one another. We will do that better focusing in on what we all share in life events and experiences, then we will dwelling on differences which separate us.

We have more in common than we have otherwise.

This article is good for you to write, and just as valuable now and later for your community. They are all welcome here.

Peace and Blessings, my good friend. Enoch.

  • 9 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:55 PM EST
Grisham

That's a good idea about updating the article. I will do that. You're right that this article is probably a good thing. Writing often allows me to sort my own thoughts and feelings out. It has always been that way. Thank you for your kind support, Enoch and for starting Chaplains Corner.

  • 9 votes
#5.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:30 AM EST
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Rank on Rank

On Thursday February 16, 2012 at 10:01pm, my father passed away.

I'm sorry to hear of your loss, the passing of your beloved father, Grisham. . . . . . .

  • 11 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:03 AM EST
Grisham

Thanks, Rank. I know we've verbally clashed in the past and are likely to do so again in the future, but I very much appreciate you taking the time to read my work and to leave your kind comment.

  • 11 votes
#6.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:22 AM EST
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PonGoad

Hi Grisham

Thank goodness you have your wife to give you support when you feel you can't handle the death of your father alone. Without her things would be so much harder.

Pon

  • 7 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:30 AM EST
Grisham

She has been a pillar of strength for me. You're right that it would be ten times harder without her. It must be very tough on her because she's an emotional person and loved my dad very much. I know she spent the day crying at work today.

  • 5 votes
#7.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:51 AM EST
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lost in America-3937007

Very good secular advice for grief. I agree with the Friendly Atheist's advice too. Oddly, my belief in Heaven did not make dealing with my sister's death that much easier. My brothers and I spent three days together remembering our childhood, doing things together like we did when we were kids. That's where I received comfort. I knew my sister was no longer in pain, but the loss of someone can be overwhelming.

  • 9 votes
Reply#8 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:36 AM EST
Grisham

I'm sorry about your sister, Lost. Thank you for sharing your experience.

  • 5 votes
#8.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:55 AM EST
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Moby's ManCave

Grisham, grieving and mourning are our own personal journeys. I lost my first child years ago and only until recently was I able to accept that loss. You have your own grieving to do... and no one but you can tell you how to experience it. As I've said before you know I'm praying for you because that is what worked for me. It's my way of dealing with your loss and it's my way of connecting with your pain. I hope you understand that I believe "your" way will work as well... be patient my friend, this is your journey and all of us are "with you" in are own ways as well. :)

  • 9 votes
Reply#9 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:20 AM EST
Grisham

I accept your prayers, Moby and thank you for them. I am also sorry for your own loss and I'm glad your faith has enabled you to come to terms with it. Like you said, we all have to do it in our own way and I'm very glad your way has worked for you. You're a good man, Moby.

  • 8 votes
#9.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:53 AM EST
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sugarmae

Grisham - I'm sorry about the passing of your father. Thank you for this article. I'm not an atheist so it never occurred to me how difficult it must be. I don't even know if I know any atheists. I never ask anyone their religion and usually no one brings it up. When my mother died I was so distraught I didn't exist for myself or anyone else. Then I was slapped with "she's dead. Get over it" and maybe that is a reason why I still haven't been able to get over it 15 yrs later. In close deaths I haven't had supportive people around. I cry whenever someone tells about a death. I cried through your article. (I'm usually just a car crier.) Even though I believe in an afterlife, death is a permanent loss in this life. Here seems like an Eternity without that person. (That may seem too strong). I'm crying now. Thank Goodness that you are sensitive to your family's needs and beliefs, and that your wife is so strongly there for you, and you for her. I really feel there are no words that can be said at a death, except that I am sorry for your loss, because that's what it is. And in view of your article, without knowing a persons beliefs, I suppose it best left at that. Thank you again.

  • 7 votes
Reply#10 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:55 AM EST
Grisham

You're not the first person I've talked to recently that has never met an atheist to the best of their knowledge. I'm sorry that someone was so callous to actually tell you to get over it in that manner. I'm also sorry my article made you cry. I hope that you found value here and thank you for your kind words and excellent post.

  • 5 votes
#10.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:56 AM EST
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chefaz-1319563

Grisham, please also accept my sympathies to you for the great loss of your father. It's wonderful that you had the opportunity to say goodbye.

The sympathy comments and how they're viewed by the receivers in your article is an interesting take. There is difficulty in knowing exactly the right thing to say at the right time. You've been gracious to take the wishes in the spirit in which they've been given to you and that says a lot of good things about you.

You may or may not find some comfort and insight in this book that I'll link here. The stories are about veterans and their last days and it is written by a hospice nurse but you don't need to be a veteran to appreciate and understand the lessons learned in this.

http://deborahgrassman.com/

May you be comforted and uplifted by the memories of your dad.

  • 7 votes
Reply#11 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:38 AM EST
Grisham

Thank you for the sympathies and for the link. I will look into that book for sure.

  • 7 votes
#11.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:57 AM EST
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Abby.

The idea that my father is sitting in heavenly paradise is a soothing one and something I very much wish I could believe.

This really hit home with me.
Especially since my mum died.
I sometimes am envious of those with faith, I lack that faith and it simply isn't going to happen for me.
Bit of a downer, actually.
As for your post being long, I say "BOVINE DROPPINGS!".
It's not too long at all.
In fact, there was so much that I could identify with, it almost felt as though I'd written it.
Thankyou for taking the time to share your feelings with us.
If you ever need to vent, you can always email me.
(or skype)
*hugs*

  • 10 votes
Reply#12 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:49 AM EST
Grisham

I'm sorry about your mom, Abby. *hugs*

I sometimes am envious of those with faith, I lack that faith and it simply isn't going to happen for me.

Me too. It would be a useful thing at times.

If you ever need to vent, you can always email me.

I haven't used Skype in a long time, but I might take you up on that offer at a later time. :)

  • 9 votes
#12.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:00 AM EST
Abby.

The offer's always open.
Give your wife a hug for us?
She deserves it.
Actually, scratch that.
Hug each other.
That's much better.
:)

  • 9 votes
#12.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:16 AM EST
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Dave-661352

So sorry for your loss.

  • 7 votes
Reply#13 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:14 AM EST
Grisham

Thank you, Dave.

  • 5 votes
#13.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:43 PM EST
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euterpe-1641499

Grisham - it's clear that you are on the healing path of grief; and that's the most important thing. I agree with Enoch, adding updates to this article will not only be beneficial to you, but to us all.

A provocative piece as always.

  • 8 votes
Reply#14 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:43 AM EST
Grisham

Thank you, euterpe. I will try to update it if I find more info on the subject. Enoch is very rarely wrong. :)

  • 5 votes
#14.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:43 PM EST
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lloyd-3730046

Dear Grisham

Your Father will always be with you in your heart. A part of you inseparable from the man you are.

He may not have heard your last words to him, however, he knew you as his son and I have to think that he knew that with love and pride.

I do not have the words to help and so I will only say Peace and let you know you have my support and best wishes.

Lloyd

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Reply#15 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:01 AM EST
Grisham

Thank you, Lloyd. I can only hope he heard my words but even if he didn't, I'm glad to have had the chance to say them anyways. Peace to you as well, my friend.

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#15.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:41 PM EST
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Anna-90776

Dear Grisham,

I am so sorry for the loss of your Dad. Your article took me so very many places. My thoughts were bouncing as I was reading; going through all the stages of belief and dis-belief in my life. As a teenager I lost a favorite Aunt and the next year my oldest sister lost her baby son within 24 hours of birth. I began to doubt with my Aunt's passing (only 42) but when baby Matthew passed I was the only person at the house when my sister called and when we hung up I ran up the stairs and cursed the God I didn't believe in anymore. I actually gave him the finger. I was 17.

At Matthew's funeral the director asked my dad if I was the baby's mother because I was crying so hard. I could barely get my breathe. But a greater injustice I did not believe existed then to lose a child. I went through countless conversations with friends about "how could I be more loving than God?" "I would never take someones child!" Now it is particularly of note that this sister was God's right hand. She was practically a minister. She loved Him and touted his works and this was the thanks SHE got? So that was stage 1 of slipping through the cracks. It further grieved my sister to know of this effect so I became quiet about my doubts.

Then I got married to the most incredible man. In three years we had a son and when our son was three we lost my Dad and my husband's mother. Now I begin to see things a little differently because of his guidance. He believed that the soul was energy. He believed that our energy goes on in many forms; like the love songs say..I will be in the wind etc. But he also most assuredly believed in God, a higher power. He would describe the greatness and vastness of the universe and incredulous that anyone could doubt. But his idea of God was not in a heaven or of thrones but instead of stages of dimension. It was quite heavy and also quite believable. stage 2: Prayer is a self motivator; as we pray we are guided to help others which is how prayer is answered.

Then in 2005 my husband was found to be nearing his life ends journey. Five months before he passed away my son and a female passenger were on my son's Harley and a police officer going to his lunch turned his car right into the cycle. I have told of this before and won't have you relive it now; but stage 3: I prayed, my whole family prayed. Please God let him live. Let him be healthy and whole. I have never gotten over it because I know others pray and I know very well prayers are not always answered. But ours were, this time, and I believe. My husband died in my arms and I knew he was going to go be wonderful energy. I know he is wherever he can be that helps, assist, lifts up and encourages. My prayers did not save him for me and us.

But that harnessing of energy resonates with me and I believe God to be that: when all that can be brought together for good. I no longer think he plucks babies for angles or that He chooses to take anyone. Accidents happen, gravity works, bodies wear out or get diseased...there is no One making that happen. I believe the energy grieves with us and that the energy is made up of the best of us.

When I lost my Dad, Grisham I thought my moral compass was gone. He was the person I most wanted to emulate my whole life. Now in my stage 3 I believe his judgement to go on; harnessed by nothing but positive energy free in the universe.

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Reply#16 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:15 AM EST
etva

(((((Anna)))))

I just wrote similar. It's all semantics, I think:)

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#16.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:17 AM EST
Grisham

Anna, your post is so moving and elequently said that it leaves me at a loss for words. I wish I could vote it up more than once. Thank you for making it.

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#16.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:40 PM EST
Big Cat-4416462

Anna - Very moving, very very moving. What a strong person you are. Hugs and energy coming your way.

Cat

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#16.3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:10 PM EST
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etva

This was a powerful article and very well written.

Most of us, regardless of our beliefs, have known death, and I suspect we all eventually experience the steps you outline in the first section - the steps of healing that come with time.

As for the second part, I am neither religious, nor atheist. I have faith in something, though I wouldn't describe it as deity. Maybe I just see it as a cycle. I believe that the universe is a system of energy, and we are a part of that. Energy never dies. It just moves on and transforms to another part of the cycle.

I don't necessarily understand every aspect of the universal cycles, but I have faith in them. I have faith that the earth will turn and tomorrow will come. I may not see the sun every day, but if I pay attention, I can feel its energy. Sometimes, I feel the same about those who no longer stand beside me in life. A memory will come, and I can feel the emotion - the energy, that I did when the moment happened.

Most days, I think all our different beliefs are just semantics - a different language, perhaps.

At any rate, know that my thoughts are with you. (((((Grish))))

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Reply#17 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:14 AM EST
Anna-90776

((((etva))))♥ Yes it is just semantics.

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#17.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:04 PM EST
Grisham

Thanks Etva and that was a powerful post. I like the semantics idea and will probably think about it some more. Thanks for your support and I'm glad you liked the article.

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#17.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:39 PM EST
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boomer 54

Grisham,

Sharing your emotions is so powerful, helping others as you help yourself. The pain of losing a parent seems so unbearable . . . thank-you for being so brave.

To the grieving on this post I wish I could take away the pain.

Sometimes humans are so kind to one another.

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Reply#18 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:41 PM EST
Grisham

Thanks, Boomer. I wouldn't call it brave. It's just something I thought I needed to do as a way of turning a negative into a positive.

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#18.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:38 PM EST
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MalamuteMan

A nice piece Grisham!

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Reply#19 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:52 PM EST
Grisham

Thanks very much, Mal. I'm glad you've started writing again. I enjoy your work.

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#19.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:37 PM EST
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Venator

I am sorry for your loss. It sounds like your father was a good man.

I think I understand where you are coming from when it comes to an Atheist in mourning.

In all honesty I really just say to people "They are at peace now," which can be interpreted positively by a believer or non-believer.

I can understand that your views of a deity may be tested at this time, but last I checked you do not have to believe in a deity to think that our existence continues in someway after we die.

I hope this helps. I wish you and your family well in this time of mourning.

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Reply#20 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:43 PM EST
Grisham

My father was a good man. He was a better father than I could ever hope for or deserve. I also think that he is at peace since he was having a lot of difficulty near the end. One of the hardest things was to see him hooked up helplessly to life support.

Your post did help and thanks for making it, Ven.

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#20.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:36 PM EST
Venator

I know how you feel. Unfortunately, it is a sight that I have seen many times.

I am sure he at peace. I do not think you need to worry about that.

Chin up. :)

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#20.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:29 PM EST
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Hiram-1381633

Very well written my friend.

H

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Reply#21 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:46 PM EST
Grisham

Thank you, Hiram. :)

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#21.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:34 PM EST
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Memory-800098

Grisham, I am so sorry for the loss of your dad. It's good you can lean on your wife for support to help comfort you during this time of healing. When I have lost loved ones, I hold dear that so much they have taught us lives on through their family and we continue to pass down through many generations to come their wonderful attributes. I do believe as atheists we mourn at our own pace and very different from believers. We still have deep pain and acceptance of the loss can be a long process to come to terms with. I still weep for a loved one I lost many years ago, but for the most part my tears are softened with a smile of sweet remembrance. I hope soon your positive memories of your beloved dad outshine your loss and bring you many loving smiles to keep his legacy alive.

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Reply#22 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:04 PM EST
Grisham

Thank you, Memory and I think you're right that there are different aspects to an atheists grieving process as opposed to a believers. It's not wrong or better, it's just different.

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#22.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:34 PM EST
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Big Cat-4416462

Very nice article my friend. You and your wife keep leaning on and hugging each other, IMO there is no better rock in ones life than your spouse. For every ones sake, including yours, KEEP WRITING! You will help yourself (since you enjoy it), and you will help others (we enjoy it).

You have inspired many moving stories from this article, as you usually do. As you know I follow the feelings of several of the above comments personally. I believe that your father is in a place to hold his son, and embrace his wife, even if it is in spirit or energy form. I think that the more our loved ones reach out to us from beyond is exactly when we; hear them, smell them, need them, cry for them... I am more sorry than you know for your loss, and as I said before, I am sending you lots of energy, which I feel your Dad's is all around you. :)

P.S. IMO you do not have to believe in God to be a positive powerful force in life. Some of us believe, some of us don't, that's it. It just adds to the complexity of our life, of our souls/energy force.

God Bless, and stay strong. You are loved by many.

Cat

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Reply#23 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:07 PM EST
Grisham

Thanks, Cat. Your words are inspiring and well recieved. I'm also glad that you like my articles. :)

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#23.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:27 AM EST
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Kara Shalee

Hello Grisham,

I too was at my father's bedside when he died. I remained in a difficult to name place for quite a while. It was somewhere I had never been before. I felt alone. My husband, like your wife, was my main support. I think sometimes that our society wants a person to "jump ahead" in their grief experience. I don't think that can be done, and you are right, everyone grieves differently. That is respected by myself, and by both groups you posted to, I would imagine. You have a lot of support from us.

May I just offer my deepest sympathies, and say that I DO understand.

Best Regards,

Kara

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Reply#24 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:21 AM EST
Grisham

Thanks Kara. Your post is very much appreciated.

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#24.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:35 AM EST
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Moby's ManCave

Something I feel convicted to mention because of my own personal experience is whether one's mourning is Godless or not it really does not matter, if one seeks relief through the constant abuse of alcohol and drugs then I believe relief will never be found. Instead the actual grief process will become "arrested" in a sense. Every new problem, failure and dissapointment will pile up onto any previous suffering and the original pain from the first loss will be amplified. This was the condition I found myself in after 5 years of alcohol and drugs with no breaks. It doesn't mean one can't put back a few stiff drinks from time to time, but IMHO the drinking and the drugging should not replace the memory of what someone has lost.

Just some thoughts from my past. :)

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Reply#25 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:52 AM EST
Grisham

That's a good point, Moby. I hardly ever drink but two nights in a row I found myself drinking and had to stop myself because I know it leads nowhere good.

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#25.1 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:35 AM EST
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